The Daily Dispatch

Examination of the Brothers Rand.—This examination was continued yesterday before the Mayor in his office.

Richard O. Haskins, of the firm of Haskins & Libby, deposed: I cannot say that we received consignments directly from Abraham W. Rand.—We had none directly. We sold produce for O. H. Rand, on account of his brother. We received two consignments, one in April, the other in May. I was introduced, during the winter, to J. W. Rand by O. H. Rand. It was a matter of notoriety that O. H. Rand was in bad circumstances. His recent pecuniary condition has improved but little, so far as I have heard. O. H. Rand showed us the invoices from A. W. Rand, of goods sent to him by A. W. Rand. I was introduced to J. W. Rand in my own room, at Rocketts, as just from California; it was during last winter.

Cross-examined—O. H. Rand told us that the goods were from A. W. Rand; made a fair sale of them; about 20 per cent profit; money paid to O. H. Rand.

There were several persons in the room at the time I was introduced to J. W. Rand; said he was from California direct. The cargoes were shipped in due form.

[The bills of lading were here enquired for, and by consent of the Mayor, Mr. O. H. Rand, in custody of officers Yarrington and Tyler, proceeded to O. H. Rand's office for the purpose of obtaining them. Mr. R. and the officers soon after returned without the bills. Mr. R. supposed them to be with other papers at the jail. He produced a copy of one of the bills of lading.]

Mr. Haskins recalled—I think the bills of lading of the consignment were made out in the name of A. W. Rand and directed to O. H. Rand.

In a paper was here read by Mr. Scott as follows:

"Consigned to Haskins & Libby for O. H. Rand, by A. W. Rand— bushels of potatoes, &c."

Mr. H. resumed—I think there was a paper in one of the bills of lading, similar to this. The amount of the first consignment was $238 60. The receipts from the sale of this consignment amounted to $291 91. Deducting expenses, we paid O. H. Rand $253 72. [The account sales of this cargo made out by H. & L., was here produced by Mr. Scott, and recognized as the original by Mr. Haskins.] I have not perceived any very great change in O. H. Rand's circumstances. He appeared to be in want of money, when we paid him small amounts on account. Independent of bills of lading and order of consignment, I saw nothing irregular or contrary to the practice of ordinary shipments.

The Commonwealth here rested for the present.

Mr. Mayo stated that he should feel himself at liberty during the progress of the examination, to bring forward—with the concurrence of the Mayor—new or necessary testimony for the Commonwealth.

Mr. Scott, counsel for the defence, here called to the stand Mr. John W. Rand.

Mr. Mayo stated that this was the gentleman for whom requisition was made by the Governor of Virginia, and he trusted that he would be taken into custody immediately. Mr. Scott stated that there would be no difficulty about that; that would await examination.

John W. Rand deposed.—I know the prisoners: they are my brothers. I have been the bearer of money from one brother to the other. I met O. H. Rand at the Democratic Convention in Baltimore. He wished me to pay A. W. Rand, when I went to Boston, the sum of $300. He gave me $100 and asked me, as he was short of money, to make up the balance. The money he gave me was in 10's and 20's, and I lost it, I believe, at a faro bank. When I arrived in Boston, I paid A. W. Rand $300. I gave him five $50 bills. I won these five $50 notes from a man in Baltimore. The man—whom I did not know—came into Geo. W. Brown's, who kept a public house where I was staying on Gay street, and bet on Cass against the field. I won the bet. The money was put up in the hands of Brown. My money was in Eastern notes. O. H. Rand never gave me the bills. I do not suppose he ever saw them. I received 6 $50 notes, paid Abram 5 of them. I came, last Tuesday morning, to Richmond. I came from Baltimore. Left Boston, I think, Tuesday night week. I saw A. W. Rand the day or day before he left Boston. The first time I came to Richmond, I think, was in 1848. Came from Norfolk then. Am partly a blacksmith. Am a native of N. H. Have resided in Boston, Quincy and Springfield, Mass. When I lived in Boston years ago I repaired stone tools. All the blacksmithing I ever done was repairing stone tools. Was engaged 5 or 6 years at this business in Quincy. I worked in Quincy for a man named Willard. I think it was in '48, when I first came to Richmond—not certain. I worked for Green about 6 months. I then went to Washington and remained there 6 months. Then went to Baltimore. I left California 15th August, '51, and came here in September, and then went to Boston. Stayed in Boston a month or two. Hardly had a residence since I came from California. My wife resided in Boston a part of the time. She resided in Norfolk when I worked there. She was at Norfolk with me last fall. She stayed there about 3 weeks. She then went North through Baltimore. I did not know where she was going exactly. Went to Norfolk about Christmas and stayed there 5 weeks. Worked in Norfolk. During the five weeks that I was in Norfolk, I visited Portsmouth. I went down to Portsmouth with my brother-in-law. I landed in Portsmouth at that time, went to Baltimore with my brother-in-law and came back same day. I used to visit Portsmouth once a week, on Sunday. I was in the bank of Portsmouth once and only once. I was an outside delegate to the Baltimore Convention. Went there as thousands went, from curiosity. I stopped at Brown's house, I believe, the first time when attending the Baltimore Convention. Saw in Friday's Baltimore Sun paper a requisition for two Rands in Boston and came here to deliver myself up. Did not want to be arrested by police. I was arrested with my brother in Boston and let go. I was about there all the time. I have stopped since Tuesday in Richmond at a house—do not know as I am obliged to tell where the house is. I do not know all the streets of Richmond. I do not know the street or the number of the house. When I arrived here last Tuesday morning, I was piloted to this house by Mr. Roach. When I got off the car, I met Mr. R. on the side-walk. He was on the side-walk. He was the first man I met after I got off the car. Mr. R. was on the side-walk and I told him that the first person I wanted to see was Mr. Scott. He was about a square or two ahead of me when I got out of the cars. He was in front of me and I overtook him. I saw him as the cars passed. I went to Mr. Scott's house and then went to Mr. Roach's, and there I stayed. I do not know the name of the street or the number of the house. I stayed at Mr. Roach's. I boarded at Mr. Little's, in Norfolk, about 3 weeks last winter. When I came last through Baltimore, went to Mr. Brown's. I might have asked Mr. B. about the bet I made at his house. Mr. B. said he recollected the bet. I did not know that it was necessary to bring Mr. Brown with me here.—I thought there must be some mistake about the requisition, and did not bring Brown with me. I came here under the supposition that the Governor had made a requisition for me. I knew where the Governor's house was. Did not know where the police office was. Very far from making myself known to police officers—do not like their company. Never have had anything to do with officers in any other place than Boston. These bills which I gave A. W. Rand in Boston were Virginia bills. They were marked Richmond, that is all I know about them. In December, I believe, I came here by myself. When I came from California there were three persons with me. One named Abell, of New York, another Trask, of Maine, and other Ellis or Ells, who belonged in New York. We stayed in Richmond one day. I saw O. H. Rand that day. These three went with me to New York, there parted. I was here in December, '51—do not recollect the day. Do not know that any one was with me. I knew a number of working men here at that time. I knew others besides the working men in the Square; one, a man who called himself Lake. This man was a middling stout man—good looking. Do not know where he stayed generally. I stopped at the Broad Street House. I stopped at my brother's house also sometime during that visit. I guess I stopped at other places while on that visit. I was at a house right opposite Broad Street House. I think this man Lake stayed there also, and that we slept in the same room together. Can't say that we went there together or left together. First met Lake in Baltimore. Talked about travelling in California. Then met him again in Richmond. Do not recollect who went first to the house opposite Broad street—whether it was Lake or myself. [Witness here examined the five $50 notes.] This looks like the money I gave to A. W. Rand. I think it is the money. Have no doubt but that it is. I was at the quarry above last winter to sharpen up some tools. I did not tell my brother that I wanted to make some tools to use in California. This man Lake went up with me. He wanted a brace and some drills made, he said, in order to get up a patent wagon. I told him that as I was going to sharpen some tools for my brother, I would make these tools for him at the upper quarry. I was so cold that I did not make anything. Left the quarry and came back next morning in consequence of the cold. I then told him to go to Mr. Johnson's and order the brace and drills. He did so, and at his request I went to Johnson's and paid him for the articles and took them away. I put up at the quarry a bellows and an anvil. I do not know whether Lake asked my brother to fix up some tools for him. I knew that the anvil and bellows were to be sent up there. My brother asked me to go up and repair the tools. The men had to go to work over at the other place. The distance between the two shops was about a half a mile. There was an anvil and bellows at the shop below. I went to the upper shop to fix the tools, in the absence of Mr. Williams, the regular blacksmith. I could make tools like those made by Mr. Johnson.

Cross-examined.—I have been out in the streets walking since I came to this city. My wife was in Boston when I left there. Mrs. O. H. Rand was in Boston while I was there for a short time. Do not know a lady in Boston named Wilson. Last time I was in Norfolk was in April. On the 17th of January I was in Norfolk. Was in Norfolk about five weeks, after the 17th, do not recollect exactly how long I stayed there. I think it was about one week. I went over to Portsmouth on a Sunday in January with O. H. Rand. I then went to Baltimore. By R. G. Scott—I arrived here late Tuesday morning. Walked about the streets; came openly to Mr. Scott's house; I went to Norfolk to see the Mayor last April; when in Boston I received a letter from my brother, O. H. Rand; he wrote me that I was suspected of robbing the bank, and that I should come on and defend myself; I came right here; went to Norfolk with Mr. Laird; I told the Mayor that I was ready to have my conduct investigated; the Mayor said that there was a rumor about me as about fifty others, but that he had nothing against me; Mr. Little, at Norfolk, knew that I came there to have my conduct investigated; I drew $500 from a bank in Norfolk in fifty dollar notes and other bills, and sent it to my brother, O. H. Rand, in the fore part of January, before the robbery of this bank. The money was sent by Adams' Express; I brought with me from California about six thousand dollars in gold dust; there were four of us together, and we had twenty-five thousand dollars; I deposited what I had with Mr. Butler, at the Mount Vernon House; at Philadelphia got the gold dust changed for notes and coined gold; the gold dust was in bags, and I think Mr. B. took the bags out of my portmanteau and put them in a safe, because the safe would not hold the portmanteau; no one would give the regular price for gold dust here, and then I went to Philadelphia, and sold it there; my brother and Mr. Groves parted with me when I went to Baltimore; I was at Mr. Little's the night of the robbery; do not know who committed the robbery; do not know of any one who has any of the stolen money; I never passed any Virginia notes, $50 or $100 notes, except these five fifty dollar notes on my brother, A. W. Rand; never saw him in Virginia before to-day. When I made the bet, the ballotings in the convention had commenced; the man I bet with did not stay at Brown's; he offered to bet Cass against the field; if Cass was not nominated, I got the money, and I won it; there were many bets made in the room; I put up Eastern money—no Virginia money. It was so cold at the quarry that I would not stay there and make the tools for Mr. Lake. He then went to Johnson's and ordered them, and I went and got them. I paid Johnson for the tools with Lake's money. When I went to Norfolk about Christmas, I went in the Roanoke; Mr. Temple was with me; Lake did not go with me to Norfolk then; did not see Lake in Norfolk at all. I was at the Adelphi House when here. By J. Mayo—Lake said he had some business to attend to, and asked me to get the tools for him; Lake was then going North in the cars, as he said. When Lake left Richmond, I believe I was boarding at the Broad Street House. This man went from a house opposite the Broad Street House, I think, when he left the city. Do not know whether I was staying at the Broad Street House or at the boarding house opposite. Lake said he was going to Baltimore to put up his patent wagon. [The requisition was here served on J. W. Rand, and he was taken into custody.] I was seen by the police of Boston every day up to the time, and after, my brother left. My person was searched by Marshal Tukey of Boston; talked with the police.

Jabez Pratt sworn—I live in Boston; I am Coroner of Suffolk county; have been Sheriff, Magistrate and Constable. I know A. W. Rand and have seen J. W. Rand; Have known A. W. Rand about ten years; he is in the store business. He lives in my neighborhood. I think I saw him as often as once in two or three days during the whole of last winter. I think that I saw him almost every day during last January. He is a member of the same church with myself. His reputation for truth and honesty in Boston is as good as that of any other man in Massachusetts. He is a man of good credit and worth about $5 or $10,000. He has a wife and child. He acquired, I believe, some property by marriage. A man of irreproachable character.

Sumner Knights deposed—I reside in Boston.—Work at tin and sheet-iron business. I have known A. W. Rand for two years. Was introduced to his brother. A. W. Rand was in Boston during the month of January. Saw him every day in that month except one or two Sabbaths. Unexceptionable character. Without stain. I think A. W. Rand came to Virginia in February; his visit was talked of long before he went. He was speaking about finding other places of business. In good credit.

Jabez Pratt recalled by J. Mayo—Know nothing of J. W. Rand's character for veracity. Have heard rumors. Men may have a character for veracity and a character for dishonesty. I have known great rogues tell the truth. A. W. Rand was appointed a delegate to the M. E. Convention, Philadelphia.

Charles B. Lane deposed—I live in Boston. Am a partner of A. W. Rand in Boston. The firm is named Rand, Harris & Lane, and engaged in the stove business. A. W. R. was in Boston during last January. A. W. Rand is of unexceptionable character and integrity. He is of good means and credit and a man of family. I have seen J. W. Rand in Boston at different places. I saw him at a police office in Boston 10 days ago. Know nothing of his character there. John Rand told me Tuesday week that he was going to Baltimore. There was no secrecy about it.

Samuel Laird—I have known O. H. Rand about two years. In January last, between the 15th and 23d, O. H. Rand was in Richmond. He left Richmond the latter part of January for Norfolk.—When the news came of the robbery at Norfolk O. H. Rand was here in his office. He had not been absent for weeks before. I went to Norfolk in February with J. W. and O. H. Rand. When we got to Norfolk I went with J. W. Rand to the Mayor; and J. W. Rand told him that he had heard of a rumor of his connection with the bank robbery, and he wanted to have the matter investigated. Mr. J. W. Rand told the Mayor this and also where he should put up. He did stay there some time. I hired O. H. Rand as an agent in the contract which I made with the Kanawha Company. He was on the same footing with my other hands. He has received and paid out money for me, and collected lime tickets for me. I have understood that land was bought by O. H. Rand and paid for by A. W. Rand. I have seen him with a large roll of money; the money with which the land was paid for.

Cross-examined, by Mr. Mayo—I was in Legislature with Mr. Stubbs in '45 or '6. He is Mayor of Norfolk. Know him well. I am not a store-man by profession; O. H. Rand is. First contracted to build a wall: then made a contract with James River and Kanawha Company. This contract I made by advice of O. H. Rand. I do not think that there was ever any contract made in my absence, by Rand, with McGrand & Co. I made the contract under the advisement of O. H. Rand. I understood that O. H. Rand was receiving $1500 salary a year at the time I made this contract. I made no contract with McGrand & Co. to furnish them with stone: but I did with the Kanawha Co. Mr. O. H. Rand was deputy inspector—acting in my place. O. H. Rand was qualified as my deputy inspector. He was my superintendent; paid off hands, &c.—I knew he was a poor man—always had some money however. Had a contract recently to furnish stone for the monument.

Cross-examined, by Scott—I gave O. H. Rand at the time he was receiving $1500 a year salary, at the rate of $500 a year. O. H. Rand kept my books.

Henry Chandler—Have lived in Richmond two years and a half. Have known O. H. Rand 18 or 20 years. O. H. Rand was in Richmond until the 23d of January. I heard of the robbery in the office when Rand was there; he was on the work on Saturday, Monday and Tuesday, the 16th, 18th and 19th; he left here Friday, 23d, for Norfolk; returned the following Tuesday or Wednesday. Saw a gentleman get into a wagon with O. H. Rand one day at the yard; never saw the man before.

Ira Richardson deposed—Have known Oliver H. Rand since 183; was at work on the monument last January. I think O. H. Rand was in Richmond in the month of January until the latter part. He was here when the robbery took place.

Edward Williams—Am acquainted with O. H. Rand: I was employed last January as a blacksmith, by J. A. Temple; was at the quarry during January and do not know whether O. H. R. left town in that month or not. Saw J. W. Rand at the quarry on the 15th of December; he came back to Richmond on 16th. He took some bellows and put in the upper shop; at night saw him at boarding house; it was very cold; do not know what he did there; he had not much time to make tools; he stayed in our boarding house at night. The bellows and anvil were sent up to the upper quarry in order to prepare tools for workmen to engage in the upper quarry. This upper quarry had not been worked for some time before. There was a large man at the upper quarry with J. W. Rand. J. W. Rand said that he was going to make some tools for this man, who was a stranger to me. Never have been particularly acquainted with J. W. Rand. He was a blacksmith.

John Reynolds deposed—I know O. H. Rand: have been employed by him 12 or 15 months. I know that O. H. Rand was here from the 1st to the 23d of January. Spoke to him about the robbery on Tuesday when the news came. I saw J. W. Rand once with Mr. Wicker and again with O. H. Rand. I knew that the anvil and bellows were sent to the quarry.

Francis Wicker testified to working for O. H. Rand and testified to his being here from the first of last January to the 23d.

Owing to the absence of witnesses, the examination was further continued until half past 10 o'clock to-day.