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December 12, 1789
The Kentucky Gazette
Lexington, Fayette County, Kentucky
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Account of U.S. House of Representatives proceedings: passage of tonnage act suspension bill, reconsideration and approval of Senate amendment to members' compensation bill via votes, and committee discussion of judicial courts bill up to section 16.
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THE engrossed bill for suspending the operation of part of the tonnage act, was read the third time—the session to continue till the 15th of January next.
It was then passed to be engrossed.
Mr. Burke moved that the house should reconsider the vote of yesterday, not to recede from their disagreement to the amendment proposed by the senate to the bill for allowing compensations to the members and officers of both houses.
Mr. Madison opposing that the bill was lost by the vote of yesterday, queried whether it was in order to reconsider that vote: or whether such a vote could be said to restore the bill. The affirmative of this enquiry, he conceived, involved many difficulties: It would extend to repealing the laws, as well as to revising them without going through those previous formalities, which are required by the constitution.
Mr. Sherman, Mr. Gerry, and Mr. Lawrence, observed, that the bill could not be considered as lost, as the house had directed the clerk to inform the senate of what had taken place; the senate being adjourned, their opinion could not be known. The bill and the vote were till in possession of the house; nor could there be a doubt that the law, if now completed by a concurrence in the amendment of the Senate, would not be as valid as any law that had been enacted.
It being doubted whether the motion was in order, the Speaker gave his opinion that it was strictly so: and appealing to the house, they confirmed his determination.
Mr. Burke's motion for a reconsideration being put, and the ayes and noes being called they are as follows:
Ayes. Messrs. Ames. Baldwin. Benson, Boudinot, Brown, Burke, Cadwallader, Carroll, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Gale, Gerry, Griffin. Hartley. Huntington, Lawrence, Lee. Livermore. Madison, Moore Muhlenberg, Page, Scott. Sher man, Smith, (S. C.) Trumbull, Vining, Wadsworth, Wynkoop. 29.
Nays— Messrs. Bland. Coles. Contee, Floyd. Foster. Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Heishorn Heister, Jackson, Matthews, Parker. Partridge, Rensselaer. Schurman. Seney, Sylvester. Sinnickson, Smith, (M.) Stone, Sumpter, Thatcher, Tucker, White. 25.
Majority for reconsidering 4.
On the question for receding from the disagreement to the amendment of the senate, and to agree thereto with their proposed amendments—The ayes and noes being called they are as follow:
Ayes—Messrs. Ames. Baldwin, Benson. Boudinot, Brown, Burke. Cadwallader, Carroll, Clymer, Fitzsimons Gale. Gerry, Griffin, Hartley, Huntington, Lawrence, Lee, Livermore, Madison. Moore, Muhlenberg, Scott. Sherman, Smith. S. C., Trumbull, Vining, Wadsworth. Wynkoop. 28.
Noes—Messrs. Bland, Coles Contee. Floyd, Foster. Gilman. Goodhue, Grout, Hishorn. Heister. Jackson, Matthews. Parke, Parker, Partridge, Seney, Schureman, Sylvester, Sinnickson, Smith. (M.) Stone. Sumpter, Rensselaer, Thatcher, Tucker, White. 36.
This motion being determined in the affirmative saved the bill.
In Committee of the whole on the bill for establishing judicial courts.
Mr. Boudinot in the chair.
The committee proceeded in the discussion as far as the 16th section, they then rose, and the house adjourned.
It was then passed to be engrossed.
Mr. Burke moved that the house should reconsider the vote of yesterday, not to recede from their disagreement to the amendment proposed by the senate to the bill for allowing compensations to the members and officers of both houses.
Mr. Madison opposing that the bill was lost by the vote of yesterday, queried whether it was in order to reconsider that vote: or whether such a vote could be said to restore the bill. The affirmative of this enquiry, he conceived, involved many difficulties: It would extend to repealing the laws, as well as to revising them without going through those previous formalities, which are required by the constitution.
Mr. Sherman, Mr. Gerry, and Mr. Lawrence, observed, that the bill could not be considered as lost, as the house had directed the clerk to inform the senate of what had taken place; the senate being adjourned, their opinion could not be known. The bill and the vote were till in possession of the house; nor could there be a doubt that the law, if now completed by a concurrence in the amendment of the Senate, would not be as valid as any law that had been enacted.
It being doubted whether the motion was in order, the Speaker gave his opinion that it was strictly so: and appealing to the house, they confirmed his determination.
Mr. Burke's motion for a reconsideration being put, and the ayes and noes being called they are as follows:
Ayes. Messrs. Ames. Baldwin. Benson, Boudinot, Brown, Burke, Cadwallader, Carroll, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Gale, Gerry, Griffin. Hartley. Huntington, Lawrence, Lee. Livermore. Madison, Moore Muhlenberg, Page, Scott. Sher man, Smith, (S. C.) Trumbull, Vining, Wadsworth, Wynkoop. 29.
Nays— Messrs. Bland. Coles. Contee, Floyd. Foster. Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Heishorn Heister, Jackson, Matthews, Parker. Partridge, Rensselaer. Schurman. Seney, Sylvester. Sinnickson, Smith, (M.) Stone, Sumpter, Thatcher, Tucker, White. 25.
Majority for reconsidering 4.
On the question for receding from the disagreement to the amendment of the senate, and to agree thereto with their proposed amendments—The ayes and noes being called they are as follow:
Ayes—Messrs. Ames. Baldwin, Benson. Boudinot, Brown, Burke. Cadwallader, Carroll, Clymer, Fitzsimons Gale. Gerry, Griffin, Hartley, Huntington, Lawrence, Lee, Livermore, Madison. Moore, Muhlenberg, Scott. Sherman, Smith. S. C., Trumbull, Vining, Wadsworth. Wynkoop. 28.
Noes—Messrs. Bland, Coles Contee. Floyd, Foster. Gilman. Goodhue, Grout, Hishorn. Heister. Jackson, Matthews. Parke, Parker, Partridge, Seney, Schureman, Sylvester, Sinnickson, Smith. (M.) Stone. Sumpter, Rensselaer, Thatcher, Tucker, White. 36.
This motion being determined in the affirmative saved the bill.
In Committee of the whole on the bill for establishing judicial courts.
Mr. Boudinot in the chair.
The committee proceeded in the discussion as far as the 16th section, they then rose, and the house adjourned.
What sub-type of article is it?
Historical Event
What keywords are associated?
House Proceedings
Tonnage Act Suspension
Compensation Bill
Senate Amendment
Judicial Courts Bill
Reconsideration Vote
What entities or persons were involved?
Mr. Burke
Mr. Madison
Mr. Sherman
Mr. Gerry
Mr. Lawrence
Mr. Boudinot
Story Details
Key Persons
Mr. Burke
Mr. Madison
Mr. Sherman
Mr. Gerry
Mr. Lawrence
Mr. Boudinot
Event Date
Session To Continue Till The 15th Of January Next
Story Details
House passed engrossed bill suspending part of tonnage act with session extension to January 15. Reconsidered yesterday's vote on Senate amendment to compensation bill for members and officers; motion passed 29-25, then agreed to amendment 28-36, saving the bill. Committee of the whole discussed judicial courts bill to section 16 under Mr. Boudinot, then adjourned.