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Story December 11, 1832

Constitutional Whig

Richmond, Virginia

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Reports from the Georgia State Convention praise Mr. Forsyth's eloquent speeches for outshining opponent Mr. Berrien, with vivid descriptions of debates on tariff, liberty, and nullification involving speakers like Col. Cummings and Mr. Spalding.

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The speeches of Mr Forsyth in the Georgia State Convention. are said to have been uncommonly eloquent and brilliant, and to have cast his opponent, Mr. Berrien, into the shade so completely, as to force the acknowledgement of the fact from Mr. Berrien's friends. A correspondent of the Augusta Courier holds the following language:

"I told you Forsyth's superiority in debate was striking. It is universally acknowledged by those within my hearing. My own idea of his talents in this respect though so high, did him no justice. He was very great, and every word that issued from his lips last night, in some of the scenes of the Drama fell like drops of fire on the heart of some of his opponents. He towered in the conflict like Byron's Pirate in the hall of Seyd. The old Pacha of Clark raised both his hands to save his head, and the smaller fry, such as Crews of Upson, and Alford of Troup, were most unmercifully slaughtered or indignantly passed by as worthy only the swords of his followers."

"E'en Seyd, convulsed, overwhelmed with rage, surprise, Retreats before him."

Another letter in the same paper, speaking of the debate of which extracts are given above says:-

"The discussion embraced every thing in the resolutions and amendment and every thing out of them. The Tariff, Liberty, Nullification, and I do not know what did not dog the agitated scene and fire the tongue in this excited meeting. Col. Cummings was called to order and attempted, by repeated calls. to be confused in the turmoil of the rear guards A member objected to that being personal. Terrance said, he hoped the slang would be permitted to be personal, it being so; to which the Colonel replied in his peculiar manner. that he had not intended to be so; but when. he intended to be personal, he would ask permission of no one. This one and that one rose, to call gentlemen to order, who were making appeals to the passions, when, as a question of order was the point, they should have been paying their respects to logic. Among these was Mr. Spalding, who, while he was replying to others, was exemplifying how much easier it is to find fault than give examples. He himself was called to order, as he concluded his inflammatory address, and taking his seat before the chair could order him, cried out, "I'm down, sir; I'm down," to the great amusement of the assembly. Colonel Cumming no doubt, from what I could gather from the drift of his beginning, intended to take a survey of the late political course of Judges Clayton and Berrien, and their friends. His object in so doing must have been to shew the necessity of the scrutiny he advocated, from the probable character of the meeting, drawn from the manner in which the convention was got up, the circumstances attending its progress, and the principles avowed by its advocates, which, he said, had been blazoned and set up as the serpent in the wilderness, at which every one that looked should be saved, with an emphasis, which indicated a stronger disposition in him to say "be damned." And first, said he very methodically, I will begin with the honorable gentleman from Clark. I thought Clayton grew pale. He brought in his toast at Laurens' Court House, in which he said "Nullification is the rightful remedy," &c. Here Mr. Clayton jumped up and said he had said so, and would say so again; but that he had then explained, and would explain again, when the gentleman had concluded.

Here the Chair was again appealed to, to say whether it was in order to proceed in such remarks, and so much confusion was produced, that, under the supposed decision of the Chair, Col. Cumming took another course. Mr. Spalding in his harangue, wanting to use the word Nullification, pretended to have forgotten the term, and said to those around him, what—what do you call it? which excited so much merriment, as his clapping himself so suddenly in his seat, after he had ventured all that he had to say, in and out of order. Mr. Forsyth noticed the repeated invocations of Liberty, which Rockwell and other speakers had made, and said he loved that liberty which in angel form brought peace from heaven—not that, which in demon shape spreads civil discord through the country. He loved that liberty, which equally presides over the revels of the rich man's palace and smiled on the happiness of the poor man's cottage. But I cannot remember the beautiful expressions. with which in an under tone, he charmed a breathless audience. In the course of his remarks, having occasion to notice Nullification, he did not like Mr. Spalding, feign want of recollection or study honied phraseology, but called it plainly a 'nonsensical' doctrine. I thought instantly of the two Delegates from South Carolina, who by invitation of the Convention, were sitting in the House, and my eye ran hastily to Judge Harper. He stood the fire with his accustomed composure,

I have said but little of Mr. Berrien's style. He is a polished speaker. Always chaste and correct, in his expressions, he never lessens the dignity of his station by puerile conceits. or cant phrases. But he is too par-tic-u-lar. You look upon Mr. Berrien as an actor—he plays the orator. Though willing to gain the eclat of a lofty flight, he appears afraid to trust himself to the effort. He, therefore, skims the lower clouds, in a beautiful, graceful sweep—never soars, like the eagle, of the sun, and pours down the glory of lofty conceptions on a ravished audience. Probably the difference between him and Mr. Forsyth may be understood, by saying, Forsyth is a man of genius—the other, of acquirements.

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Historical Event Personal Triumph

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Triumph Social Manners

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Georgia Convention Forsyth Speech Berrien Debate Nullification Tariff Discussion Political Oratory

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Mr Forsyth Mr. Berrien Col. Cummings Mr. Spalding Mr. Clayton

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Georgia State Convention

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Mr Forsyth Mr. Berrien Col. Cummings Mr. Spalding Mr. Clayton

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Georgia State Convention

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Accounts from correspondents highlight Mr. Forsyth's superior eloquence in debates overshadowing Mr. Berrien, with chaotic discussions on tariff, liberty, and nullification involving interruptions, calls to order, and vivid oratory critiques.

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